Richard Davies wrote: The UK has a good crop of technology pioneers in cloud computing - for example ElasticHosts, FlexiScale, Flexiant, OnApp - and also some strong government initiatives such as G-Cloud.
We will have to see whether this kind of technical leadership converts into swift mass-market adoption or not.
It looks like Borland could not find a buyer for their IDE division, and they've released a new Eclipse-based version of Java IDE - JBuilder 2007. They will TRY TO SELL different version of this product, and the Enterprise Edition costs $1999 (?!). They must be crazy. For only two grand it offers "velocity with Visual EJB and web services GUIs, provides balance, enabling management of complex projects across locations with P2P and TeamInsight, and gives organizations confidence to develop with open source tools and plug-ins". This is not even funny.
You can get Eclipse with WTP for free with great tools for enterprise development. Netbeans is also free. An excellent enterprise grade IDE IntelliJ IDEA cost $500. Unless JBuilder 2007 has voice activated enterprise development, it's plain stupid to charge $2000 for this product. If they look at another overpriced monster called WSAD (or RAD), too bad. IBM is not in the software product development business anymore (they sell professional services) and can survive without selling WSAD, while for Borland IDE is one of mainstream products.
The only reason Joe Shmo, the CIO of an enterprise Java shop might purchase this product from Borland from $2K is that Joe plays golf with one of the Borland Executives and wants to do him/her a favor. I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free.
Borland used to produce the best Java IDE several years ago. But the world is different now. Get real guys.
About Yakov Fain Yakov Fain is a Managing Director of Farata Systems, consulting, training and product company. He has authored several Java books, dozens of technical articles. SYS-CON Books released his latest co-authored book , Rich Internet Applications with Adobe Flex and Java: Secrets of the Masters in Spring 2007. Sun Microsystems has nominated and awarded Yakov with the title Java Champion. He leads the Princeton Java Users Group. He is an Adobe Certified Flex Instructor. Yakov co-athored the O'Reilly book "Enterprise Application Development with Flex". He twits at twitter.com/yfain.
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#18
JB commented on 16 Apr 2008
Just upgraded my old JBuilder 9 to 2007 version and first impression is that they totally made it wrong desicion to redesign the great concept, i am still reading help-files and get nothing done and got crashed to desktop already 3 times. I Wish they would go back to older JBuilder direction, cause i'm supposed to be developing my software not redesign and integrating my work just to get crashed again.. ;(
#17
Dave commented on 5 Dec 2007
JBuilder 2007 sucks. I hate the Eclipse platform, and Borl... excuse me, CodeGear's plug-ins make it suck even more - so I guess I'm sticking with JB2006 for now.
#16
pavlvs commented on 9 Nov 2007
I liked the old JBuilder. I had a full version of JBuilderX enterprise, which gave me trouble with JSP editing and specifying which JDK to use, but it was still pretty decent. I can't get the damn thing working on my new machine with windows vista, so I download the trial version of JBuilder 2007... Which is actually just a souped up Eclipse... The IDE whose crappiness turned me to JBuilder in the first place.
Before anyone bitches about windows, I worked in the software industry with linux and had my fill of wasting half the day fiddling with free software, trying to get it to install correctly. Nevermind trying to get any dev work done. Also keep in mind, we should be C or assembly programmers if we want to be hard core. Java is easy street.
Why does crap have to get "upgraded" and "re-released" when a simple patch would do. I want old JBuilder back!
#15
Sergey commented on 11 Dec 2006
>>> Just one question to all these JBuilder defenders - raise your hand if you did before or are planning to pay two grand of YOUR OWN MONEY for JBuilder 2007.
Why are you checking the Enterprise version, if you need it for your personal use ?
>>> Accusation of FUD is just a joke - it's just an IDE, and I'm not going to waste my time on researching this product.
Oh! come on, did you check the feature matrix in order to conclude that it's just an COMMONLY USED IDE ?
>>> I'm not paying $2K for any Java IDE. If you are looking for a politically correct review of the software, I'm the wrong person.
It's not being politically correct, its being you NOT TECHNICALLY worth to do a review of the Software. Please do us a favor of not posting any reviews unless you had really reviewed the product. You just are starting to lose your credibility in the Java World my friend.
Peace,
#14
Sergey commented on 11 Dec 2006
Your post is really disgusting to say the least. Just because the product is priced high, you wouldn't want to check out the product is really bad in taste.. Untill you had checked the product, there is no valid reason for you to post a review.. It looks like you are trying to sell JetBrains IntelliJ.
#13
Andrej Cherkasov commented on 8 Dec 2006
Already ordered our copies. Probably our software and our revenues are better than yours - we aren't so mean we don't want to pay for the sofware we use.
And please, don't "waste" your time to "review" a software if you don't even bother to try it. FUD is exactly what you did -if you can't "waste" your precious time for "researching". The Java community begins to stink - the worshipper of Eclipse should start to get paid like their tool: nothing.
#12
Yakov Fain commented on 8 Dec 2006
Just one question to all these JBuilder defenders - raise your hand if you did before or are planning to pay two grand of YOUR OWN MONEY for JBuilder 2007. Accusation of FUD is just a joke - it's just an IDE, and I'm not going to waste my time on researching this product. I'm not paying $2K for any Java IDE. If you are looking for a politically correct review of the software, I'm the wrong person.
#11
Andrej Cherkasov commented on 8 Dec 2006
Googling for support is the best way to get a lot of irrelevant informations, half baked examples and plainly wrong statements. There is some gold somewhere sometimes, often hidden in a lot of noise and rubbish. The more the links, the more the noise. Need support for MS? Its knowledgebase and MSDN are far better sources. Need help for Oracle? Metalink and AskTom are the best sources.
Well, if you code using Google I understand why you wrote such a FUD about JBuilder. YOu did not find anything already written to repeat and because you don't bother to give it a try you choosed to say the first thing that crossed your mind. Very professional attitude. Well, any link in Google to this article will just increase the level of rubbinesh.
#10
LDS commented on 8 Dec 2006
When someone writes "I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free." he has no right to tell anything else. This is not an opinion based upon facts. This is just rubbish and FUD. Hope you get paid to spread it around, at least it would be a reason. If you did just because you're a Java/Eclipse Taliban, well, we can only pity you.
#9
Akin Ball commented on 8 Dec 2006
I have been waiting for this product for a long time - and am very keen to try it. Yakov if did not try it how did you comment on it. Borland always delivered the best of breed IDE tools as you yourself say... You are contradicting twice..
#8
David Intersimone "David I" CodeGear commented on 7 Dec 2006
"Microsoft Visual Studio" got about 34,700,000 Google results, not 45m.
"Eclipse Open Source" got about 22,100,000 Google results, much more than 4m.
Complete JBuilder 2007 details are available on the www.borland.com/jbuilder/ web site, including the feature matrix for each of the editions of JBuilder 2007 - developer, professional, and enterprise.
#7
Tom Reiertsen commented on 3 Dec 2006
"I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free."
So, you haven't even tried it and you still make degrading remarks about it. This is pure FUD and you know it. How unprofessional!
#6
JohnnySacks commented on 30 Nov 2006
Borland has been hammering their customers with upgrades continuously. Unbelievable there could be shops out there who've been buying upgrades since JBuilder 3. I really hate to see Borland stoop to this level because I remember when their JBuilder tools were expensive but the best there was. If you just have to spend money, for 25% of the cost, IntelliJ is an excellent tool.
#5
Yakov commented on 29 Nov 2006
45 mil hits for MS Visual Studio means that the chances are very high that you'll find the answer to your problem by googling it (without the need to call MS for support).
#4
Andriy Rokhmanov commented on 29 Nov 2006
Yakov, I think that IBM's java flagship IDE now RAD, not WSAD. Please update your bookmarks. :)
MS Visual Studio gives a 45 million hits in Google. Do you think that Visual Studio have a 10 times better support than Eclipse?
:)
JB wrote: Just upgraded my old JBuilder 9 to 2007 version and first impression is that they totally made it wrong desicion to redesign the great concept, i am still reading help-files and get nothing done and got crashed to desktop already 3 times. I Wish they would go back to older JBuilder direction, cause i'm supposed to be developing my software not redesign and integrating my work just to get crashed again.. ;(
Dave wrote: JBuilder 2007 sucks. I hate the Eclipse platform, and Borl... excuse me, CodeGear's plug-ins make it suck even more - so I guess I'm sticking with JB2006 for now.
pavlvs wrote: I liked the old JBuilder. I had a full version of JBuilderX enterprise, which gave me trouble with JSP editing and specifying which JDK to use, but it was still pretty decent. I can't get the damn thing working on my new machine with windows vista, so I download the trial version of JBuilder 2007... Which is actually just a souped up Eclipse... The IDE whose crappiness turned me to JBuilder in the first place.
Before anyone bitches about windows, I worked in the software industry with linux and had my fill of wasting half the day fiddling with free software, trying to get it to install correctly. Nevermind trying to get any dev work done. Also keep in mind, we should be C or assembly programmers if we want to be hard core. Java is easy street.
Why does crap have to get "upgraded" and "re-released" when a simple patch would do. I want old JBuilder back!
Sergey wrote: >>> Just one question to all these JBuilder defenders - raise your hand if you did before or are planning to pay two grand of YOUR OWN MONEY for JBuilder 2007.
Why are you checking the Enterprise version, if you need it for your personal use ?
>>> Accusation of FUD is just a joke - it's just an IDE, and I'm not going to waste my time on researching this product.
Oh! come on, did you check the feature matrix in order to conclude that it's just an COMMONLY USED IDE ?
>>> I'm not paying $2K for any Java IDE. If you are looking for a politically correct review of the software, I'm the wrong person.
It's not being politically correct, its being you NOT TECHNICALLY worth to do a review of the Software. Please do us a favor of not posting any reviews unless you had really reviewed the product. You just are starting to lose your credibility in the Java World my friend.
Pea...
Sergey wrote: Your post is really disgusting to say the least. Just because the product is priced high, you wouldn't want to check out the product is really bad in taste.. Untill you had checked the product, there is no valid reason for you to post a review.. It looks like you are trying to sell JetBrains IntelliJ.
Andrej Cherkasov wrote: Already ordered our copies. Probably our software and our revenues are better than yours - we aren't so mean we don't want to pay for the sofware we use.
And please, don't "waste" your time to "review" a software if you don't even bother to try it. FUD is exactly what you did -if you can't "waste" your precious time for "researching". The Java community begins to stink - the worshipper of Eclipse should start to get paid like their tool: nothing.
Yakov Fain wrote: Just one question to all these JBuilder defenders - raise your hand if you did before or are planning to pay two grand of YOUR OWN MONEY for JBuilder 2007. Accusation of FUD is just a joke - it's just an IDE, and I'm not going to waste my time on researching this product. I'm not paying $2K for any Java IDE. If you are looking for a politically correct review of the software, I'm the wrong person.
Andrej Cherkasov wrote: Googling for support is the best way to get a lot of irrelevant informations, half baked examples and plainly wrong statements. There is some gold somewhere sometimes, often hidden in a lot of noise and rubbish. The more the links, the more the noise. Need support for MS? Its knowledgebase and MSDN are far better sources. Need help for Oracle? Metalink and AskTom are the best sources.
Well, if you code using Google I understand why you wrote such a FUD about JBuilder. YOu did not find anything already written to repeat and because you don't bother to give it a try you choosed to say the first thing that crossed your mind. Very professional attitude. Well, any link in Google to this article will just increase the level of rubbinesh.
LDS wrote: When someone writes "I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free." he has no right to tell anything else. This is not an opinion based upon facts. This is just rubbish and FUD. Hope you get paid to spread it around, at least it would be a reason. If you did just because you're a Java/Eclipse Taliban, well, we can only pity you.
Akin Ball wrote: I have been waiting for this product for a long time - and am very keen to try it. Yakov if did not try it how did you comment on it. Borland always delivered the best of breed IDE tools as you yourself say... You are contradicting twice..
David Intersimone "David I" CodeGear wrote: "Microsoft Visual Studio" got about 34,700,000 Google results, not 45m.
"Eclipse Open Source" got about 22,100,000 Google results, much more than 4m.
Complete JBuilder 2007 details are available on the www.borland.com/jbuilder/ web site, including the feature matrix for each of the editions of JBuilder 2007 - developer, professional, and enterprise.
Tom Reiertsen wrote: "I personally do not even have time to try it even if they'd given it to me for free."
So, you haven't even tried it and you still make degrading remarks about it. This is pure FUD and you know it. How unprofessional!
JohnnySacks wrote: Borland has been hammering their customers with upgrades continuously. Unbelievable there could be shops out there who've been buying upgrades since JBuilder 3. I really hate to see Borland stoop to this level because I remember when their JBuilder tools were expensive but the best there was. If you just have to spend money, for 25% of the cost, IntelliJ is an excellent tool.
Yakov wrote: 45 mil hits for MS Visual Studio means that the chances are very high that you'll find the answer to your problem by googling it (without the need to call MS for support).
Andriy Rokhmanov wrote: Yakov, I think that IBM's java flagship IDE now RAD, not WSAD. Please update your bookmarks. :)
MS Visual Studio gives a 45 million hits in Google. Do you think that Visual Studio have a 10 times better support than Eclipse?
:)
Yakov Fain wrote: Do not kid yourself. If you need confidece in support, go with the software that has more hits on Google search. Try searching for Eclipse IDE and you'll get more than four millions hits. Try WSAD IDE, and you'll get less than 200K. Idea IDE brings more than two mil.
Andriy Rokhmanov wrote: I believe those managers who buys a RAD (WSAD), buys also a payed support (confidence in support or certainty, if you want). If Borland will offer a better support then IBM and IDEA - they would go for it.
JDJ News Desk wrote: It looks like Borland could not find a buyer for their IDE division, and they've released a new Eclipse-based version of Java IDE - JBuilder 2007. They will TRY TO SELL different version of this product, and the Enterprise Edition costs $1999 (?!). They must be crazy. For only two grand it offers 'velocity with Visual EJB and web services GUIs, provides balance, enabling management of complex projects across locations with P2P and TeamInsight, and gives organizations confidence to develop with open source tools and plug-ins'. This is not even funny.
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