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JDJ and JBoss:

To the Java community,

We, Marc Fleury and Alan Williamson, would like to take this opportunity to put some order into the chaos that has ensued over the last few days regarding the relationship JBoss has with Java Developer's Journal and, in particular, the Readers' Choice Awards.

We wish to make it clear that, despite recent heated and colorful public exchanges, JDJ and JBoss do not hold an adversarial relationship.

With respect to the JDJ Readers' Choice Awards, we are both committed to making sure there is no misrepresentation and the spirit of the awards is carried through. For those that are monitoring the present state of the polls, you may have noticed a sharp decline and subsequent increase in some of the numbers. This was due to the main database server going offline for a number of hours, resulting in the backup server displaying results that were old. No new votes were lost in that period, however. Normal service has been resumed.

The awards are designed to be voted by genuine users, and JDJ does its best to remove all rogue voting, including the mass automated voting that some enterprising developers have been using to skew the figures dramatically.

There have been times where there were misunderstandings in both organizations, certainly. There are a number of e-mails circulating that on hindsight are regrettable, both organizations hold their hand up, guilty as charged. Those e-mails only served to distract attention from the real issues.

Many conspiracy theories are raging regarding this episode and we both have enjoyed reading some of them. We live and work in a very charged and passionate industry and we are proud to be representing you. Those of you that know either of us will know only too well the energy and enthusiasm we both have for the Java language and the future of the Java community.

It is for these reasons we decided the time had come for us to leave the past where it is and look to the future. The way we see it is that JDJ and JBoss are part of a community that is involved in a passionate dialogue about Java and its future. As such, while we cannot always expect to see eye to eye on every issue, we can promise to continue that dialogue with more decorum in the future.

JDJ and JBoss are two communities that comprise far more than the individual voices of Alan Williamson and Marc Fleury. As for ourselves, contrary to popular belief, we are not mortal enemies, nor do we even dislike one another. So there will be no Celebrity Death match, as one forum suggested.

We would like to thank you all for your continued support of both JDJ and JBoss.

marc + alan

About Alan Williamson
Alan Williamson is widely recognized as an early expert on Cloud Computing, he is Co-Founder of aw2.0 Ltd, a software company specializing in deploying software solutions within Cloud networks. Alan is a Sun Java Champion and creator of OpenBlueDragon (an open source Java CFML runtime engine). With many books, articles and speaking engagements under his belt, Alan likes to talk passionately about what can be done TODAY and not get caught up in the marketing hype of TOMORROW. Follow his blog, http://alan.blog-city.com/ or e-mail him at cloud(at)alanwilliamson.org.

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CTS is huge task and the fee that Sun charges is huge as well. If sun somehow allows JBoss to test they will have to pay the fee and they do not have the cash or the manpower to actually do the CTS which is a huge hurdle to pass.

Here's what I found:

"JBoss Group general counsel Larry Rosen said Friday that JBoss Group has spoken to Sun about licensing the suite but said that the price--in the hundreds of thousands of dollars--is "outrageous." "

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-993471.html

How can a bunch of OSS guys afford to pay that kind of money. Is JBossGroup VC funded?

Will,
That's the first I've heard about the certification being offered at zero cost. Maybe you know something that the rest of us don't.

How can anyone claim Sun has not shown leadership with Java? They SUED Microsoft and saved Java from becoming another part of the monopoly. They sued M$ again to make Java available to Windows users countering more monopolistic practices.

The JCP (Java Community Process) is alive and well. Participate don't pontificate!

JBoss has not passed the compatibility suite for J2EE. It was offered to them at NO COST by Sun. They know it is not going to pass so they whine incessantly. The only way for them to make money is to get free press. The is no better way than pretending to be the under dog oppressed by a corporation. The free product will be phased out in favor of new 'value adds'. Same old tired 'free' story.

Has JBoss passed the J2EE compatibility suite yet? Much wrangling took place culminating in the availability of the compatability test to JBoss at little or no cost. So were the tests ever run on JBoss?

I can't wait to see the results of the "Oscars of the Software Industry". Well, actually, maybe I can.

Am I the only one that looked at them last year and thought "What the hell?" How did Oracle get so many awards? Does this really represent what people like and use?

And was I the only voter this year that was confused by irrelevant choices and glaring omissions in many categories? Can these really be the "Readers Choice Awards"? I didn't get to choose what I wanted to. And I'm a reader.

To Anon....

It would be great if J2EE and .NET could coexist, and at least for awhile they will because .NET (Microsoft) is still playing catch-up.

But with MS's market power and abuses, especially with the weasily anti-trust agreement in place, MS will indeed gradually gain market share with .NET and eventually threaten to kill J2EE as a real competitor.

Because of this, the Java community MUST remain vigilant and endeavor to continually improve Java ... and to make those comparisons with .NET if for no other reason than to make sure Java does not turn into a substandard choice.

Customers will decide on the best app server for their enterprise, not the press, not the vendor.

I'm glad to see you guys resolved your differences. Kudos to you two in pressing through to come to a common ground.

Money. Or the lack of it. Flowing to an industry that has laid off a lot of people, sent a lot of work off-shore, and still it's not clear who will survive.

(1) Java leadership? Microsoft wants to steal share, and they exploit the inherent weakness (speed) of a community process. Sun has failed to offer that leadership, so it comes from many voices, not one. And that may be heft and majority "vote," but it's not leadership.

J2EE vs. .NET? A side-effect of (1).

Open source vs. commercial? How many emerging software businesses are able to put their products out for the market to try? Not many. Open source pushes the market to oligopoly control, since it limits smaller players to generate the margins necessary to grow.

Well done. Now start writing a good article regarding JBoss, instead of flames.

I'm sick and tired of all the .NET and Java comparisons and the endless threads which debate on which is better, can't the technologies simply co-exist?

Another issue is Open Source vs. commercial apps and if there will other than an ideological war, I think Java itself will be the sore loser.

Start concentrating on real issues and for a change, report something good already there/coming up in the near future.

No Mud Wrestling? Damn!

But, seriously I knew you guys were not mortal enemies from the begining..

Of course there will always be 'Chiara(Kiara)" Type people who would rather discuss all types of conspiracy theories then enter the technical passionate discussion..:)

In the hea tof passion we all make the mistake of hitting the send button.. so noharm there..everyone is human..

Looking forward to enjoying the technical discussion that come out of both communities and new stuf fin Java into the future..

C'mon, I would pay good money to see a Celebrity Death Match between Alan and Marc (in good fun of course)!

First it was the End of Middleware, now this tosh. When will it stop? Make friends all you like, is anybody bothered? I think not!


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john archer wrote: CTS is huge task and the fee that Sun charges is huge as well. If sun somehow allows JBoss to test they will have to pay the fee and they do not have the cash or the manpower to actually do the CTS which is a huge hurdle to pass.
John Schmidt wrote: Here's what I found: "JBoss Group general counsel Larry Rosen said Friday that JBoss Group has spoken to Sun about licensing the suite but said that the price--in the hundreds of thousands of dollars--is "outrageous." " http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-993471.html How can a bunch of OSS guys afford to pay that kind of money. Is JBossGroup VC funded?
Luce wrote: Will, That's the first I've heard about the certification being offered at zero cost. Maybe you know something that the rest of us don't.
Will wrote: How can anyone claim Sun has not shown leadership with Java? They SUED Microsoft and saved Java from becoming another part of the monopoly. They sued M$ again to make Java available to Windows users countering more monopolistic practices. The JCP (Java Community Process) is alive and well. Participate don't pontificate! JBoss has not passed the compatibility suite for J2EE. It was offered to them at NO COST by Sun. They know it is not going to pass so they whine incessantly. The only way for them to make money is to get free press. The is no better way than pretending to be the under dog oppressed by a corporation. The free product will be phased out in favor of new 'value adds'. Same old tired 'free' story.
Jim McGuinness wrote: Has JBoss passed the J2EE compatibility suite yet? Much wrangling took place culminating in the availability of the compatability test to JBoss at little or no cost. So were the tests ever run on JBoss?
Matt wrote: I can't wait to see the results of the "Oscars of the Software Industry". Well, actually, maybe I can. Am I the only one that looked at them last year and thought "What the hell?" How did Oracle get so many awards? Does this really represent what people like and use? And was I the only voter this year that was confused by irrelevant choices and glaring omissions in many categories? Can these really be the "Readers Choice Awards"? I didn't get to choose what I wanted to. And I'm a reader.
jpm wrote: To Anon.... It would be great if J2EE and .NET could coexist, and at least for awhile they will because .NET (Microsoft) is still playing catch-up. But with MS's market power and abuses, especially with the weasily anti-trust agreement in place, MS will indeed gradually gain market share with .NET and eventually threaten to kill J2EE as a real competitor. Because of this, the Java community MUST remain vigilant and endeavor to continually improve Java ... and to make those comparisons with .NET if for no other reason than to make sure Java does not turn into a substandard choice.
Joe Sabrin wrote: Customers will decide on the best app server for their enterprise, not the press, not the vendor.
Oliver Tseng wrote: I'm glad to see you guys resolved your differences. Kudos to you two in pressing through to come to a common ground.
Bill wrote: Money. Or the lack of it. Flowing to an industry that has laid off a lot of people, sent a lot of work off-shore, and still it's not clear who will survive. (1) Java leadership? Microsoft wants to steal share, and they exploit the inherent weakness (speed) of a community process. Sun has failed to offer that leadership, so it comes from many voices, not one. And that may be heft and majority "vote," but it's not leadership. J2EE vs. .NET? A side-effect of (1). Open source vs. commercial? How many emerging software businesses are able to put their products out for the market to try? Not many. Open source pushes the market to oligopoly control, since it limits smaller players to generate the margins necessary to grow.
Saddam Hussein wrote: Well done. Now start writing a good article regarding JBoss, instead of flames.
Anon wrote: I'm sick and tired of all the .NET and Java comparisons and the endless threads which debate on which is better, can't the technologies simply co-exist? Another issue is Open Source vs. commercial apps and if there will other than an ideological war, I think Java itself will be the sore loser. Start concentrating on real issues and for a change, report something good already there/coming up in the near future.
Fred Grott wrote: No Mud Wrestling? Damn! But, seriously I knew you guys were not mortal enemies from the begining.. Of course there will always be 'Chiara(Kiara)" Type people who would rather discuss all types of conspiracy theories then enter the technical passionate discussion..:) In the hea tof passion we all make the mistake of hitting the send button.. so noharm there..everyone is human.. Looking forward to enjoying the technical discussion that come out of both communities and new stuf fin Java into the future..
Ben Wong wrote: C'mon, I would pay good money to see a Celebrity Death Match between Alan and Marc (in good fun of course)!
Rob wrote: First it was the End of Middleware, now this tosh. When will it stop? Make friends all you like, is anybody bothered? I think not!
Bill Gates wrote: Let's all gather around in a circle, hold hands, and sing Kum-ba-yah. Not!
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