Richard Davies wrote: The UK has a good crop of technology pioneers in cloud computing - for example ElasticHosts, FlexiScale, Flexiant, OnApp - and also some strong government initiatives such as G-Cloud.
We will have to see whether this kind of technical leadership converts into swift mass-market adoption or not.
(September 24, 2003) - With the stated goal of promoting Java, JBoss Group LLC has joined the Java Community Process (JCP). Under the agreement, JBoss developers can now participate in the expert groups that develop Java standards, including J2EE. Like all commercial entities, JBoss will pay Sun $5,000 annually to qualify for JCP participation. JBoss developers had previously joined the JCP, but on an individual basis; now JBoss is a JCP member as a corporate entity. "JCP is pleased to see JBoss join the community and welcomes their contributions through the community; it's a commitment to compatibility," said Onno Kluyt, director, JCP PMO.
Unresolved is the issue of whether JBoss should pay to license J2EE. JBoss says it should be exempt from paying for the Technology Compatibility Kit, because of its open-source base. The TCKs can cost from tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. JBoss' licensing fees are expected to be in the six-figure range. Sun offers a scholarship program for open-source initiatives, but has disputed JBoss' eligibility. A Sun spokesperson noted that, "whether an effort that is applying for a grant uses an open source software license, while interesting, is not relevant to deciding on the grant."
Fleury recently had commented regarding the J2EE licensing issue "We are still in negotiations. I'm pretty confident we will get certified."
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Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president of Sun's software group, told eWEEK: "I'll give you a pretty clear view, at least from my perspective, on how we manage Java and the open-source world. There are some duplicitous companies that like to compare and equate open source with not-for-profit. And I assure you we will deliver all of our technology licenses, all of them, free of charge to not-for-profit organizations at infinite scale. However, if a not-for-profit delivers its products to a for-profit company that then turns around and sells those products to another company, that is not a not-for-profit. That is a for-profit company, and they muct pay for a Java license. So JBoss.org, as a not-for-profit?if it in fact delivers products to customers free of charge?should not pay for the license. JBoss.com, the company that in fact is commercializing that product, if it receives delivery from JBoss.org and then turns around and delivers that product for fee to customers, they will pay for that privilege."
It's not necessarily true that people who use JBOSS because it is opensource do not care about certification. We have clients interested in an application we provide that is dependent on J2EE 1.3. They own a big name app server that does not yet support 1.3 and is not comitting to when it will support it so they are considering JBoss. JBoss certification is a major factor in our clients' decision to use it or not.
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Bill Burke commented on 25 Sep 2003
Marc Fleury has been quoted in numerous articles that JBoss Group is willing to pay for certification.
Bill
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Henri Yandell commented on 25 Sep 2003
It should be pretty easy to make the decision. If JBoss Group want to licence the code, then they should pay. If the JBoss community want to licence the code, then they shouldn't pay.
It all comes down to: Who owns the JBoss code? [or copyright of the name JBoss etc]. That decides who pays.
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Peter Costello commented on 24 Sep 2003
If everyone else is paying for certification, why shouldn't JBOSS?
Not only is JBoss selling services, it is selling documentation, and getting money by endorsing third party products and through bundling other products. People who use JBOSS because it is opensource do not care about certification.
OToole wrote: Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president of Sun's software group, told eWEEK: "I'll give you a pretty clear view, at least from my perspective, on how we manage Java and the open-source world. There are some duplicitous companies that like to compare and equate open source with not-for-profit. And I assure you we will deliver all of our technology licenses, all of them, free of charge to not-for-profit organizations at infinite scale. However, if a not-for-profit delivers its products to a for-profit company that then turns around and sells those products to another company, that is not a not-for-profit. That is a for-profit company, and they muct pay for a Java license. So JBoss.org, as a not-for-profit?if it in fact delivers products to customers free of charge?should not pay for the license. JBoss.com, the company that in fact is commercializing that product, if it receives deliver...
WWells wrote: It's not necessarily true that people who use JBOSS because it is opensource do not care about certification. We have clients interested in an application we provide that is dependent on J2EE 1.3. They own a big name app server that does not yet support 1.3 and is not comitting to when it will support it so they are considering JBoss. JBoss certification is a major factor in our clients' decision to use it or not.
Henri Yandell wrote: It should be pretty easy to make the decision. If JBoss Group want to licence the code, then they should pay. If the JBoss community want to licence the code, then they shouldn't pay.
It all comes down to: Who owns the JBoss code? [or copyright of the name JBoss etc]. That decides who pays.
Peter Costello wrote: If everyone else is paying for certification, why shouldn't JBOSS?
Not only is JBoss selling services, it is selling documentation, and getting money by endorsing third party products and through bundling other products. People who use JBOSS because it is opensource do not care about certification.
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In a surprise move Tuesday Oracle wheeled out its Big Data Appliance.
That’s the one it said in October would be ready sometime in the first half. Only nobody believed it meant early in the first half. Heck, it’s not even clear anybody thought Oracle could make the first half...
Rackspace Hosting, the service leader in cloud computing, on Thursday announced its acquisition of SharePoint911, an industry leader in SharePoint consulting, training, and "JumpStart" services within SharePoint. The unification of both companies provides capabilities to deliver ...
Wyse Technology, the global leader in cloud client computing, on Thursday announced it's working with Microsoft to market school IT labs and one-to-one computing solutions that allow a cost effective delivery of innovative IT enabled education. These solutions are available throu...
With Cloud Expo 2012 New York (10th Cloud Expo) now under four months away, what better time to start introducing you in greater detail to the distinguished individuals in our incredible Speaker Faculty for the technical and strategy sessions at the conference...
We have techn...
Nimble, the social CRM platform has announced the launch of Nimble 2.0, billed as the “most social” CRM platform on the market today. Nimble was designed entirely with social CRM in mind and is the first social business platform that empowers companies with the ability to get clo...
