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SYS-CON Media, the world's leading i-technology magazine publisher, today announced further details of the "Application Server Shoot-Out" due to take place at its upcoming cross-platform technology event, Web Services Edge 2005 East - International Web Services Conference & Expo, to be held in Boston at the Hynes Convention Center, February 15-17, 2005.
The "Application Server Shoot-Out," in which leading application server providers are expected to participate will be staged under the auspices of Burton Group, the only enterprise IT research and advisory services firm focused exclusively on offering in-depth analysis of infrastructure architecture and technologies.
Invited shoot-out participants include BEA Systems (WebLogic), Borland (Borland Enterprise Server), IBM (WebSphere), JBoss (JBoss Application Server), JOnAS (Java Open Application Server), Macromedia (JRun), Microsoft (IIS / ASP.NET), Pramati (Pramati Server), Open Link (Virtuoso), Oracle (Oracle Application Server 10g), Orion (Orion Application Server), SAP, Sun (Sun Java System Application Server), and Sybase (EAServer).
"Even though Microsoft, IBM, and BEA have the lion's share of the market, there are many viable application server alternatives that offer excellent performance and ROI metrics for specific situations," said Grisha Davida, president of SYS-CON Events, Inc. and the show's producer. "As application servers are not a one-size-fits-all proposition, we want the developers, IT managers, and enterprise technologists who come to Web Services Edge 2005 East to be in a position to find out which application server fits their specific performance and ROI metrics best. We are absolutely delighted to welcome Burton Group on board in the important role of independent, vendor-neutral coordinator of this Shoot-Out"
"We are delighted to be tapped to help make this a clear and fair fight," said Anne Thomas Manes, vice president and research director at Burton Group. "The application server companies competing can be assured that we will be bringing to this contest Burton Group's characteristic rigor and vigor. Burton Group's reputation is to a great extent built on keeping far outside the shadow of vendor agendas."
The "Application Server Shoot-Out" will provide the vendors with an opportunity to demonstrate the features and capabilities of their products, with a particular focus on interoperability, resiliency, security, and ease-of-use in terms of development, deployment, and management. All vendors will be given a prior assignment to develop an application supporting desktop, portal, and Web services clients. The application will be based on one of the Web Services Interoperability Organization (WS-I) sample applications. As part of the live demonstration, the vendors will show WS-I conformance and interoperability among all the systems, and they can demonstrate the tools used to build, deploy, and manage the application and the application code itself. And finally, during the shoot-out, the vendors will be assigned a series of tests that demonstrate the resiliency and flexibility of the environment. The tests will include system failure and recovery, modification of the application's security requirements, and modification of the application's interface. Burton Group will evaluate the tests both quantitatively and qualitatively.
The occasion will be a unique opportunity to learn first hand and on-site which application servers support the latest WS-I standards and to see how they compare in terms of resiliency, security, and ease-of-use.
The live shoot-out will be held in Boston's Hynes Convention Center during the second day of Web Services Edge and will be moderated by SYS-CON editor Jack Martin. More than 3,000 delegates from around the world are expected to attend this year's conference and expo.
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Fyi Linux Lover, the RH app server's an open-source Java application server built by the France-based consortium ObjectWeb, the consortium of open source developers founded in 2002 by France Telecom, Bull and INRIA. The organisation mentors a set of open source projects developed and distributed under the GNU Lesser General Public Licence.
In other words it's based on ObjectWeb's JOnAS code.
By October, Red Hat Application Server will also be J2EE certified - because JOnAS is expecting certification in October.
#11
Linux Lover commented on 4 Oct 2004
Didn't Red Hat just come out with Red Hat Application Server? What *is* it - did they acquire it or develop it? I know Japanese open source integrator Ten Art-ni supports it, but where did it come from??
#10
WizBoy commented on 4 Oct 2004
Will Sun's newest app server, the J2EE SDK, be taking part? A binary version of the J2EE reference implementation, it's a proof of concept and example for implementations in the application server marketplace.
#9
William Awakenings commented on 28 Sep 2004
An important facet of the whole performance game is TCO - what do the vendors offer the total solution with application servers at?
Does the hardware come free with the server, or does the software come free? Or is it a subscription based model? Does the hardware and software come free, only an agreement to have Consulting Services need to be made?
These are some of the more important questions one needs to answer - so what if Appserver-A is 5% faster than Appserver-B??
#8
Bob Hablutzel commented on 28 Sep 2004
I suppose it is somewhat interesting to see what the performance of these server is. I *yawn* suppose.
Look, the biggest problem with these servers isn''t raw performance. It''s that they are becoming increasingly unstable as more and more features are crammed in faster and faster to keep up with this kind of "do they have feature XXX" shootout. I can deal with 50% worse performance with double the boxes, which is barely a ripple in the budget. I can''t deal with systems that go out for days at a time, that can''t be tuned except by level-3 support people (in production), or with development "standards" that are obsolete six months later.
The "simulated network and hardware failures" is the most interesting part of this, but, I suspect, will also be the most glossed over. However, most of the failures these days aren''t at the network or machine level. It''s the app servers themselves failing. How will this "shootout" deal with that?
#7
Editor commented on 28 Sep 2004
Update:
Pramati joins app-server shoot-out, confirms their participation.
If you really want to hold an application server shootout, bring in Macromedia''s ColdFusion MX server and New Atlanta's Blue Dragon products. They bring all the benefits and performance of J2EE, plus the rapid development benefits of CFML. Including .NET but excluding other, similar, Enterprise-class application servers does a disservice to those who are really interested in an objective comparison.
#5
Derek Ferguson commented on 28 Sep 2004
Answering Miguel:
Our XBanywhere server (http://www.XB.com) runs under Tomcat on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. We created it using JBuilder and Intelli-J IDEA. While I will grant you that IDEA has some great re-factoring features, by-and-large the developer productivity I''ve experienced on the J2EE platform has only been a fraction of the productivity I''ve had under .NET. And VS.NET, unlike IDEA, doesn''t pause for 30 seconds every few minutes while the garbage collector runs. :-)
#4
Miguel commented on 28 Sep 2004
I wonder if Mr. Derek Ferguson ever tried other developer tool beside MS Visual Studio .Net? Did he runs ever a Web app. in Linux or Unix? Hi Mr. Derek Ferguson, please see BEA WebLogic Workshop, that's the integrated Service Environment tool that you looking for.
#3
dbajohn commented on 28 Sep 2004
I know it won''t happen but it would be nice if the results of the shootout were published so the world would know. Folks on tight budgets that can''t attend will never know what happened. Too bad for the industry.
#2
John Matthew commented on 28 Sep 2004
Anyone remebers which company won this year? I know one of the rules of the competition was the winner could not publicize the results
I remember these shoot-outs get very tense for the teams on stage but they also throw a lot of goodies to the audience. Gee the last shoot-out I went to was like the superbowl, I came home with 8 t-shirts!
#1
What are the rules and details? commented on 28 Sep 2004
This "app server shoot-out" reference from 1999 is interesting:
ObjectWeb wrote: Fyi Linux Lover, the RH app server's an open-source Java application server built by the France-based consortium ObjectWeb, the consortium of open source developers founded in 2002 by France Telecom, Bull and INRIA. The organisation mentors a set of open source projects developed and distributed under the GNU Lesser General Public Licence.
In other words it's based on ObjectWeb's JOnAS code.
By October, Red Hat Application Server will also be J2EE certified - because JOnAS is expecting certification in October.
Linux Lover wrote: Didn't Red Hat just come out with Red Hat Application Server? What *is* it - did they acquire it or develop it? I know Japanese open source integrator Ten Art-ni supports it, but where did it come from??
WizBoy wrote: Will Sun's newest app server, the J2EE SDK, be taking part? A binary version of the J2EE reference implementation, it's a proof of concept and example for implementations in the application server marketplace.
William Awakenings wrote: An important facet of the whole performance game is TCO - what do the vendors offer the total solution with application servers at?
Does the hardware come free with the server, or does the software come free? Or is it a subscription based model? Does the hardware and software come free, only an agreement to have Consulting Services need to be made?
These are some of the more important questions one needs to answer - so what if Appserver-A is 5% faster than Appserver-B??
Bob Hablutzel wrote: I suppose it is somewhat interesting to see what the performance of these server is. I *yawn* suppose.
Look, the biggest problem with these servers isn''t raw performance. It''s that they are becoming increasingly unstable as more and more features are crammed in faster and faster to keep up with this kind of "do they have feature XXX" shootout. I can deal with 50% worse performance with double the boxes, which is barely a ripple in the budget. I can''t deal with systems that go out for days at a time, that can''t be tuned except by level-3 support people (in production), or with development "standards" that are obsolete six months later.
The "simulated network and hardware failures" is the most interesting part of this, but, I suspect, will also be the most glossed over. However, most of the failures these days aren''t at the network or machine level. It''s the app servers themselv...
Eric wrote: If you really want to hold an application server shootout, bring in Macromedia''s ColdFusion MX server and New Atlanta's Blue Dragon products. They bring all the benefits and performance of J2EE, plus the rapid development benefits of CFML. Including .NET but excluding other, similar, Enterprise-class application servers does a disservice to those who are really interested in an objective comparison.
Derek Ferguson wrote: Answering Miguel:
Our XBanywhere server (http://www.XB.com) runs under Tomcat on Linux, Solaris, and Windows. We created it using JBuilder and Intelli-J IDEA. While I will grant you that IDEA has some great re-factoring features, by-and-large the developer productivity I''ve experienced on the J2EE platform has only been a fraction of the productivity I''ve had under .NET. And VS.NET, unlike IDEA, doesn''t pause for 30 seconds every few minutes while the garbage collector runs. :-)
Miguel wrote: I wonder if Mr. Derek Ferguson ever tried other developer tool beside MS Visual Studio .Net? Did he runs ever a Web app. in Linux or Unix? Hi Mr. Derek Ferguson, please see BEA WebLogic Workshop, that's the integrated Service Environment tool that you looking for.
dbajohn wrote: I know it won''t happen but it would be nice if the results of the shootout were published so the world would know. Folks on tight budgets that can''t attend will never know what happened. Too bad for the industry.
John Matthew wrote: Anyone remebers which company won this year? I know one of the rules of the competition was the winner could not publicize the results
http://www.sys-con.com/2001/PR/code.cfm?page=06242002
I remember these shoot-outs get very tense for the teams on stage but they also throw a lot of goodies to the audience. Gee the last shoot-out I went to was like the superbowl, I came home with 8 t-shirts!
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As a Bronze Sponsor of Cloud Expo New York, HP is offering special passes to SYS-CON's 10th International Cloud Expo, which will take place on June 11–14, 2012, at the Javits Center in New York City, New York.
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